The Cast Has A Theory - Ep. 52

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Live from the holiday pools in Spock Studios, presented by Pete Tonight Altoona. JoJo on the go. What are you or what are you not wearing? Oh, today I'm you. Oh. Do I look like that? It's on the last episode, you'll get it. With less broad shoulders. My shoulders are just broad. This one's gone. Next to an e-scooter in Pittsburgh. What is your tattoo? Actually, let's talk tattoos. You know, we've never spoken. I know you I know that is your tattoo, but I I just figure let's do a show and tell of tattoos. All right. There I'm telling you. Is that your only one? So I was at a live broadcast in Florida with my co-host. We were standing on top of the radio station van. Hadn't met Jagger yet. He was just a glimmer in his parents' eyes, I'm sure. And uh we're standing there at this at this tattoo parlor doing a broadcast. And uh we were like, you want to get a tattoo? She's like, All right. And that was the thought that went into it. Like five seconds were the thought. Yeah. Uh I think Justin Timberlake had Superman at the time, Incinc's, you know, highest point. And I thought it was just a just a golden seal, you know, to get the ladies. Um and now it's faded and old like me. Oh, yeah, mine, mine look terrible, and also I can't even really see mine because my boobs are always in the way, so I forget that I have them until someone points it out to me. All right, I'll go next. So I got one on my hip from when I'm 16. This says hope. You can't even see it. Hope and the ease, the breast cancer sign. Look how faded. I know this it really set the stage for my life. Uh, and then I have this more the glare off of that skin. I know I'm so pale, it's ridiculous. It says the sky's the limit, because the the biggie small song, The Sky's the Limit, is my favorite song of all time. So I got that when I was 17. But like, A, I'm so pale. B, these look even worse than I remember. Yeah, it's it's weird when you like show it in front of other people. I have no idea how to get this damn thing off me, so I'm gonna do the whole show like that. Okay, well now I have a friend. Yeah, looks like Snuggies. Bring them back. The voice is strong within you. Oh man. Oh, speaking of, didn't that new Mandalorian movie come out last week? I mean, has a day gone by? Because if so, the answer is yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, could you milk the Star Wars cash cow any drier than it already is? We'll find out. We will. We will. So I got. I'm all tatted up. I got the channel. Yeah, we might be here a while. I got the Phoenix. How long did that take? Uh like four four to six hours for that one. Um trying to see. What made you want to get that? Is that what your wrestling days? No, um, so the Phoenix, the uh significance to me is just uh rising above and and and coming out from the ashes and rebirth, you know. That's good. I've got Tree of Life. Good Lord. Like a lizard man. Oh my god, wow. Yes. Flash Jagger. Exceed exceed expectations. And do you? Yeah. Are we doing the leg ones too? I can't get it on. Depends on where part of the leg we're gonna have to see. Inner thighs and no, but what it alright, we don't really see it. There you go. What it okay. I think I remember that one. It's the JoJo on the go logo. Yeah, right. Yeah. The other one I'm there's no chance I'm getting that left leg up there. So the other one is He turned 50 last episode, so there won't be much more moving going on. Did he die? What's he showing us here? I don't know which way to go. Oh god, I don't like this view that I'm I don't I don't like that. Janna left. Janna literally left. She did the old pretend she's smiling and froze thing. Right, oops, just clicked off. Oh good, I can fix my shirt now. Well well, the you know, I wouldn't want to offend someone is I don't know. It was her idea to look at my tattoos. Janna bailed. She comes back my decent clothes on. On my left leg, it is three symbols of three superheroes that I um I used to portray in my volunteer days when I was with Project Superhero. And then you got tired of being selfless? No, I got fat and old and couldn't pull it off anymore. Look, it's Fat Man. Yeah, exactly. Look, I literally got heckled in parades. Did you really? Yes. That's I was like, okay. You were dressing up as superheroes to make uh children happy, and you were getting heckled. Yeah, like uh, hey Thor! It looks like you're fat, Thor, now yeah. Thor, it looks like you can't get up off the floor. Yeah. Look more like you're Thor. Yeah. Thor, you don't have a hammer, you have a giant turkey leg from Disney. Yeah. Yeah. I realize it's a young man's game. Well, at least you didn't go to the spin-off character, whore. Yes. That would be a whole nother volunteer opportunity. So this is the part where I let you know that we had Jana come up with all the ideas for this episode, and she's not here. Um so we're just gonna stare at you. Actually, I know she wanted to get into uh hot takes. I can see she's coming back now. There she is. Look at her, look at her. Total total blackout and a restart on the laptop. Meanwhile, I was on it yesterday and restarted my computer. So make it make sense. Meanwhile, you gave me a hard time on Wednesday. And look at you. I know I did. I know. It's coming back on me. Shame. Remember me? I used to be the black sheep always crashing out. Now just I don't understand what my problem is because I've fixed my internet. I've gotten an external hard drive. I don't understand what your problem is either. Shut up. And promo. So where else were your other tattoos that I missed out? Do you have a tramp stamp? Oh god, please don't make us hear this story. Just because your internet doesn't work as many times. I said I need something hard. I meant alcohol. Jeez. My Anaconda don't want none that you've got. Oh, shut up, turtlehead. Oh man. Didn't like it. I do have some hot takes, though. You want to get some hot takes? All right. Jana, give me a massively popular movie or TV show that you think is absolute trash garbage. Oh, I don't think either of you are gonna like this. I hate light The Office. You son of a bitch. You son of a bitch. So overrated, so not funny. You son. You have to start with season two. Yeah. See, any show that they start with that, like where you're like, you just gotta get through the first season. Not for me. It's gotta be. It just validates for me that you have no sense of humor. That's all. Well, that's not true because I I do love Parks and Rec. I just think the office is not funny. And it's not that like the way I know they do the breaking the third wall and all of that, fourth wall. Fourth wall. Third wall. Fifth wall. Uh it's just, yeah, I just don't find it funny. Also, oh, I got another one, Shits Creek. I tried. I watched what is wrong with it. I watched seven episodes of the five years. I thought you would have been president of the fan club. I couldn't get it. I thought she you would have been fan number one of that show. I couldn't get through it. I did not enjoy it. Mora is you. I don't understand. David. Ow. I maybe I'll try it again, but likely not. So have you seen things about Dan Levy's in? Probably not. It's in a new show, Bad Habits or something. It's something. God, I can't remember the name of it now, but we're watching it. Trailer for it, I think. That's pretty good. I don't really watch TV. Um, if I'm watching something, I'm watching like uh YouTube. You know, like I like to watch a YouTube video. I have a life and I travel the world and I have a fulfilling child that I take care of and my life is success. Never mind. I don't watch TV like you morally. Well, listen, if I didn't travel, then I wouldn't know that I can get better Thai food in New York City than I can in Thailand. So well listen, I don't watch TV either when I don't pay my internet bill and it gets shut off. So accurate. Accurate. Oh well, since you got the LBI hat on, I got another hot take. You'll appreciate this, Mr. Taylor Ham. LBI is for the nationwide audience who's not a millionaire, it's Long Beach Island, New Jersey. It's not Long Island, New York. It's Long Beach Island, New Jersey. It's six miles out in the ocean. It's arguably South or Central Jersey, depending on where you're located in the garden state. And it was a place that my grandparents had a house. I grew up, the summers were there. They were awesome. There were mom and pop restaurants. And then Taylor Swift visited like three years ago. And now to have a meal, a single entree is at least $150 a person. All because Taylor Swift showed up for somebody's wedding, and now her record producer is building uh a studio on the freaking island where a bait shop used to be. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. LBI used to be associated with just like Jersey Shore, and like you knew what you got there. And uh it's definitely changed, but that is not the hot take that Taylor Swift is taking over Jersey. My hot take is obviously I'm in New York. He's talking Jersey, that's tri-state area. Jagger's got connection up here. Um, you know what I don't love? I am truly not a fan of a bacon, egg, and cheese. That is a super hot take. What do you mean? What part of it don't you like? The bacon, egg, or cheese? Uh I I don't like uh it's the cheese primarily. I don't like the cheese with the bacon and egg. So I don't eat a bacon. That's America's breakfast in between bread. How do you not like it? Do you like it on a roll? Uh uh no. Do you like it in a hole? I'll I'll eat an egg sandwich on a bagel, but like I make my own egg sandwich. Like I want an omelet with like jalapenos and stuff like that. Like will you eat it in a tree? Oh god. Okay. Do you have to take that bacon, egg and cheese? Can you draft eat bacon cheese with me? I love well, so I'm more of a fan of a sausage, egg and cheese myself. Bet you are, Sal. See if I'm gonna do it though. I'm gonna do I'll do like the sausage and egg, but I won't do um the cheese. Or I'll do like um, I love a hash brown on an egg sandwich. That's really good. But a typical bacon, egg and cheese, like to me, it's actually like gross. So you're saying you like bacon, egg, and cheese, but you don't like bacon, egg, and cheese. Or maybe just replace the American cheese. Is that uh doable? What's our take on that McDonald's pancake bread with the M logo, the McGriddle bread? I'm gonna have one today. The way it just melts in your mouth, you can just feel yourself dying on it. Yeah, no, yeah, exactly. That's why I feel like you could taste the death in it. Um I think I've eaten hamburgers for the last 11 days straight. Wow. I I gotta eat like a piece of chicken or something with some lettuce. I I can't I can't stop. Make yourself a lettuce wrap. Oh, no. I also ran out of my Ozempic and just got the prescription refilled. That explains why you look a little puffy. Oh my god. I swear. Is nobody safe from your evil? Nope. You know, I barely recovered from telling you about how I shaved my head in middle school and got roasted. Well it's an alien, if I recall. I don't think that's I think it's the 12th beer yesterday that made me uh a little puffy. It didn't come back that quick. But the thing is, now I'm like, you know, I'm I'm I'm enjoying the food. I'm the cocktails are kicking. This is what life is? Yeah, I'm like, oh, these are the things that I liked. And and then when you take this shot, and it does have benefits, don't get me wrong, and people do definitely need it. I'm not gonna get into a debate on GLP ones, but um, it takes away your desire for almost anything. Uh that was my personal is my personal experience. And then when it wears off, it's almost like you're waking up from a from a coma and you're like, ooh, fried chicken. She's right. You can put it all back quickly. But the thing, the reason I'm not taking the dose right now is because there's never a good time for me to not feel well for a day or so. Like, that's just unfortunate to me. Like, and again, I know people need it. Like, my dad has diabetes, so he actually needs it and he doesn't really because his body physically needs it, but even he gets side effects where like he'll be down for the count and like nauseous for three days, and to me, that's just that's no way to live, you know. If you're not gonna be able to do it, I accidentally double dose myself. I was in bed for a week. That's crazy. It's crazy. It was awful. I just remember vividly when they first came out, and three people in my then family were taking it, and I remember we all we were all having dinner together, and they each took like three bites and just like pushed the plate away, and we're like, Yeah, I'm so sickly full. And I'm like, Yep, I can't. I can't do that. Was that like having dinner with the clumps? Hook please, hook please. I miss that movie so much. I gotta go watch that. Oh, I wonder, see, that would be a movie though where I would be, you know, when you hesitate to see something that you used to love because you don't want it to like all of a sudden suck. Yeah, you topless. You're right. I was gonna say sometimes you turn around, like see, see who you're sleeping with, you're like, oh god. Coyote, I mean, but that was a great movie. Which is tough in a marriage. Yeah. I'm not speaking from experience. You know, it's bad enough to wake up next to a regret one morning. Imagine years worth of mornings waking up next to the water. I'm sure that's why I'm in the predicament I'm in right now. I was the regret. Uh in relationships, is uh has there ever been a situation where someone's obviously I don't think Jana, but banished to the couch or another bedroom. I'm not talking about like when the relationship was over and you were done with each other, but like say a fight. You're never supposed to go to bed angry, but I've never been able to pull that off. I go to bed pissed off all the time. I love it. But I love it. Were you ever like relegated to the couch jagger? Like they're not sleeping in here tonight regularly, yeah. So regularly, yeah. So whenever whenever there's a conflict, um she's very uh couch steadfast on there not being a shared bed. So um we have a guest room, so that's good for me because I I'd hate sleeping on a couch, but the guest room bed is comfortable. My cat uses the guest room bed, so if I go in there, it's like I I'm totally covered in cat hair when I wake up. Yeah, no, I I get you on that. Janna, have you ever been sent to the couch? I mean, I I'm the one that would opt to the couch mostly because he wouldn't, he'd be like, no, I'm not not sleeping in my bed. So he's he said he wouldn't sleep in the bed. He couldn't fit on the couch. He said, I'm not leaving, I'm not leaving my bed. And it was a sleeper so he took Ozempek. Calm down. Then he stopped. Now he's the couch. I gotta take that shot. Allegedly. I don't know why they even came up, but uh it just goes back to oh, it's one of my hot takes, actually. Because the the uh you know, an older relative or an older person, a more mature person will say, you know, you ask him for advice and they'll say in a relationship, never go to bed anymore. I I agree with that, and I always tried, but then it would be like 11 o'clock and I'd be crying, and they'd be like, I say they because we don't know who I'm talking about. Um I I have to go to sleep, so I don't know what to tell you. And I'm like, I guess I'm going to bed sad. It's funny because Janet, you strike me as one of the strongest women that I've ever come across. Oh my god, that is the same thing. You're the type of woman that that if I saw in the search. Oh my god. Do you have AI write those posts? I like no wonder you love Poe. I have a d I have a degree in uh journalism. I can't it shows. My God, Jagger. Do we have anything planned to put a spotlight on Jana's works of art on social media? Oh, most definitely. Okay. Because the world, I know that, you know, Facebook and whoever else, Instagram, they choose who sees things and not all your followers. I want to make sure everyone And don't get me wrong, it's it's meaningful, it's well written, it's proper grammar, it's things I can't accomplish. I understand that. It's very nice. I just think that that that we could uh you know ruin it for you and make it into a comedic bigger. I will say though, in all honesty, um, I know like my content has been very like uh vulnerable as of late, but I I've been getting a lot of messages from people that feel that have been saying to me, I just feel like you're writing this to me. And that's really why I do it, is is not to like expose someone, you know. It it's a cathartic for myself. Um, it's a part of my healing. It's uh like a journal, but everyone can see it. Right. But like it's also just uh, you know, because I think there's a lot of people who are silently suffering and they don't always realize or they doubt themselves, and then they're able to step away or see something from someone else's eyes and be like, oh, that's what I'm going through too. And that right there is the strength to help you, you know, get through it. Because at the end of the day, I might struggle, I might be upset a lot of the time, but at the end of the day, I still get up and I try again every single day because I feel I have no choice. So maybe that's the strength, but I don't feel strong a lot. Let me backtrack and say that I it it I do respect why you're doing it and and I get that, and it is needed. There are people your posts could save a life. I mean, I'm not trying to be overly dramatic, but there are people who feel like they're going through things alone, and uh you're obviously saying they're reaching out to you um because there's a connection there and they're feeling better as a result of your posts, but that just that doesn't mean that Jagger hasn't been assigned to totally just we're still gonna make fun of it. That is that is A-OK by me. Like it's it's just gonna do it's working on two levels. It's saving lives and it's gonna be hilarious. Destroying them at the same time. Exactly. It's a And I have found the best way to struggle is in silence. I mean Oh, really? How's that going for you? Why annoy everyone else? I guess in a way I became less willing to share as much because it just seems like I don't know, everyone just lost their their sense of self and nobody's scared to be an asshole behind the keyboard anymore. And I just, you know, I would share something and and people would insult me about it. Well, here's the difference too. So, you know, I when I put these things out there, again, I don't think about who's potentially looking at them, you know, like my ex-husband's family or any of this. I don't think about what's going to be talked about me either on social media or you know, behind my back. I don't look at the comments for the most part. Like I I just post it. Post and ghost ghost. And and you know, for me it's I I have like I I wait until something like resonates with me where I'm like, oh, I I think I need to put this out there, and then I just kind of like put it out into the ether and move on. Dear Facebook mood apathetic. It's so healthy and annoying. No, but I think I I honestly think that you need to like release it. You need to. If I don't share it, it'll just bottle up inside of me. And it clearly shows I have no one else to talk to you. So yeah. Well, we're all here because we're individual and to say the very least, unique, and uh you're a key part of that. Um we're still gonna make fun of you for it, but I I do think the posts are well written and and and if you haven't seen them, I should give out Jenna's social media so you know what we're talking about if you don't. Uh on Facebook, she's Psychopath69. And she's doing a shot. It's a shot of water, but uh the only cup I had upstairs in the bathroom is my kids, my kids' medicine cups. It's her special little treat for the day. Uh, what is your social media channel? Um on Facebook, it's Jana Banana, and on Instagram, it's at bananas for Jana. Right. And please, if you feel like uh you're alone, you're going through something, don't hesitate to reach out to the video. I mean, listen, there's funny content there too. There's fitness and nutrition content as well, but I think a big reality is not only sharing um solo mom struggles and stories of divorce, um, uh, but I think also just like trauma and uh, you know, I I Awareness of things that people are suffering from abuse, emotional discord, things in that. And I I don't think that uh it should be gatekeeped anymore. No, listen, I was beaten as a child. Jagger's parents didn't care enough to beat him. And we all have our own issues. And we find light and hope in your posts. So keep it up. I'll be posting my weird, you know, cap cut videos. Yeah, yeah. See, that's just too much for me. I can't I can't get into that. Well, if you don't think Shit's Creek is funny, I don't take anything personally anymore. If you won't even crack a smile at something I say from here on out. I feel better now, actually. I'm glad. Jagger, we never got to you. Uh any show that people were like, oh, it's the best thing ever, and you couldn't stand it. Um, I can't think of it. Great answer, Jagger. Thank you. No. I like everything that you like. How about A Game of Thrones was one for me. Lord of the Rings. Any Thrones, any rings, out. No rings or thrones. No. And no Star Wars either. Get that out. Okay, so I I'm similar on the Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Harry Potter. Um those those movie series I was never that into. Yeah. You know, my kid is really into Harry Potter now. Um really into Harry Potter now. Your daughter? Oh, good. And then my wife can have a friend and go to Universal together. Well, are they just gonna make all of Universal Harry Potter Land? What is going on? Right? We don't need that much Harry Potter. The thing's like 30 years old. Let's get some new things in. And I mean Harry Potter World has been around for almost as long as the films. Yeah, and but then they added to it. Now it's an epic universe, too. It's spreading like uh like hauntivirus. Yeah, let's be current. You're right. So hauntivirus was a thing for five minutes, right? Now that's No, I heard it still is. In fact, I was talking to my best friend last weekend, and apparently there's this like travel vlogger who's like still quarantined and he's like vlogging about it, and it's like some it's it I'm her friend's brother, and uh apparently he's like going off about it. Yeah, no, it's a real thing. Wait, I thought everyone was off that ship. This one dude is still on it. Vlogging it was they're all off the ship, but they have to be quarantined for up to 45 days because that's incubation period. Even though I heard it can be up to six months, which is crazy. I would take the six months quarantine just to be safe personally. Yeah. I'm starting to feel a little haunted, actually. Yeah, the the videos were popping. I'm like, we're not doing this again. I'm not putting a mask on. And I'm like, I don't well, it's not transmittable person to person. That's the thing. It was never it was never a real threat. Oh, is that what they told you? They'll tell you anything. It's always they. That's a really good one. I think about that all the time, and I say it half the time, too. They don't want you to know the truth. It's true. We're all looking in the Truman show. Because nobody I've seen that you would be considering they seems to be that much of a rocket scientist either. So I'm just trying to see are we talking Illuminati here or horses we don't know about? Probably. Um, I think that's a good thing. They're very strong. Yeah. And the more you try to convince somebody that they're insane and their theory is wrong, the harder they lean into that theory and convince themselves that they're right and you are wrong. I will say uh some people who are deemed conspiracy theorists are now it's coming to light that they were actually telling the truth. I'm not saying that we still don't have plenty of conspiracy theorists with tin foil hats, but some of the stuff's starting to seem maybe they were right. I won't mention anything specifically. The moon. What? The moon is it made of cheese? What kind? I keep getting these moon videos. Everyone's all mad. Like all of a sudden we waited, what, a hundred uh eighty years to decide that that didn't happen? Like you mean to tell me we didn't even barely have a black and white television, but they were able to launch something into the stratosphere and have it just zoom around and perfectly land on the moon. I mean, it's not an unfair point. Right. And then they're out there playing hopscotch, and then the somehow this thing magically takes off from the moon while someone's filming it leave. And then I'm like, I know. It's like, but that's the that's the problem with like social media is that uh you could hear one thing, you're like, oh yeah, that makes sense. And then you hear the opposite thing, you're like, that makes sense. That makes sense too. Yeah. Right. Right. Another problem is if you click on like one of the moon videos or whatever, you watch it for more than four seconds, algorithms have decided you are a moon conspiracy theorist, and then you'll see a thousand more of them. So I think that's what's getting to me. Flat Earth material. Yeah. You can hardly make a phone call to uh your neighbor down the street, but they can make a phone call from the moon to Earth and have it be clear. There are some parts that are a little bit It tracks. I know, I know, it does. Yeah, it's kind of like the more you more I think about it, and I don't listen, I'm gonna say that we landed on the moon until I have absolute 100% proof that we didn't. Because at the end of the day, how is it gonna change our lives personally? One way or the other. Same thing with the aliens. Right. Like how's it gonna because if they're here and the government knew they were here and it's been decades that they've been coming and going and visiting, obviously, if they wanted to kill us, they would have done it. So you come out right now today and say, here they are, here's the pictures, they're here's the lizard people. It won't surprise me, yeah. Do I get the day off work? I just want to now I just want to make sure we're friends. Like, that's all I would have the question of. I just feel like if if they've been here this long and and the uh they have known about it all this time, I I just feel like something bad would have happened already, or maybe it is what's happening all around us right now. Oh, wait. Yeah. See how deep we can get in these weeds? Oh my, now you're sucking me in. I'm sucking you in. I want to give our sponsors a shout out before we got to uh get out. So let's give some love to Pizza Night Al Tuna, ladies and gentlemen. Google Pizza Knight Al Tuna. 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Unless you had something to add beside being a dick. Oh, don't forget, Monday is our six-month anniversary. Congrats. Son of a bitch. Oh. What do you got? I was thinking, like, we've been doing this now. How many episodes? What episode number is this? 52. 52 episodes. 52, like 52 weeks in a year. 52 of these nuts. 52, ladies and gentlemen. 52. 52. Jenna, will you be naked for the next episode? Oh yeah! There's the Jenna's best work. See, I'm not all dead for the colour. Greatest thing she's ever said. You're what we call a hot mess. But the hot part is emphasized. I've been clear butter. Bye. Jojo on the go is presented by Pizza Knight Altuna. Get the stove and the dishes and make tonight a pizza night. Place your order. Call 814-943-7000. Thank you to our sponsors, Holiday Fools and Spa, Try Luna Royal Cleaner, and Parlor Donuts. A fresh new episode of JoJo on the go is coming soon from the Holiday Pools and Spa studios. 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